moderated NOGO for Launch this Saturday, September 10, 2022 #nogo


Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

I waited until today to scrub the launch hoping that the forecast would change.  Forecast calls for 8-9 mph a breeze from the south.  This is unfavorable weather at Harmon.  Despite sunny skies, the launch has been canceled because:

1. Model rockets tend to weathercock into the wind, which can put them across the street over the houses.  If the recovery system completely fails, they can (and have) landed near a house after following a ballistic trajectory.

2. A south wind tends to blow our rockets into the woods.

The launch is scrubbed.  Next date is Saturday, September 24.  See you then.
-Wolf
MTMA President



Tom Alcock
 

Good morning!!

Any chance of securing a better launch location than Harmon?? Reason being, the grass is too high and the nearby homes are too close as examples.

Best Regards,

Tom


On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 8:17 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski
<astronwolf@...> wrote:
I waited until today to scrub the launch hoping that the forecast would change.  Forecast calls for 8-9 mph a breeze from the south.  This is unfavorable weather at Harmon.  Despite sunny skies, the launch has been canceled because:

1. Model rockets tend to weathercock into the wind, which can put them across the street over the houses.  If the recovery system completely fails, they can (and have) landed near a house after following a ballistic trajectory.

2. A south wind tends to blow our rockets into the woods.

The launch is scrubbed.  Next date is Saturday, September 24.  See you then.
-Wolf
MTMA President



Mark Recktenwald
 

Anyone can, and everyone should keep their eyes out for suitable sites. Set a pin or jot down the address, then do some follow-up research into the ownership. If you have friends in the country, or know anyone with a farm or lots of open land, give them a call.

-- 
Mark Recktenwald

On Friday, September 9, 2022, 9:18 AM, Tom Alcock via groups.io <guitaristtom68@...> wrote:

Good morning!!

Any chance of securing a better launch location than Harmon?? Reason being, the grass is too high and the nearby homes are too close as examples.

Best Regards,

Tom


On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 8:17 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski
<astronwolf@...> wrote:
I waited until today to scrub the launch hoping that the forecast would change.  Forecast calls for 8-9 mph a breeze from the south.  This is unfavorable weather at Harmon.  Despite sunny skies, the launch has been canceled because:

1. Model rockets tend to weathercock into the wind, which can put them across the street over the houses.  If the recovery system completely fails, they can (and have) landed near a house after following a ballistic trajectory.

2. A south wind tends to blow our rockets into the woods.

The launch is scrubbed.  Next date is Saturday, September 24.  See you then.
-Wolf
MTMA President



Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:18 AM, Tom Alcock wrote:
Any chance of securing a better launch location than Harmon?? Reason being, the grass is too high and the nearby homes are too close as examples.
 
Without more people actively involved with the club this isn't happening fast enough.  This year we followed-up on two good leads that didn't pan out.  There doesn't seem to be enough volunteers to help do what Mark Recktenwald suggested.

BTW, the grass at Harmon isn't all that bad this year.  But Harmon is a small field.  I'd drive 2-hours just to get to a decent field to fly high performance model rockets that need a lot of room.  Most people balk at driving more than 30-minutes away.
-W


John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...>
 

What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John


On Sep 9, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 09:18 AM, Tom Alcock wrote:
Any chance of securing a better launch location than Harmon?? Reason being, the grass is too high and the nearby homes are too close as examples.
 
Without more people actively involved with the club this isn't happening fast enough.  This year we followed-up on two good leads that didn't pan out.  There doesn't seem to be enough volunteers to help do what Mark Recktenwald suggested.

BTW, the grass at Harmon isn't all that bad this year.  But Harmon is a small field.  I'd drive 2-hours just to get to a decent field to fly high performance model rockets that need a lot of room.  Most people balk at driving more than 30-minutes away.
-W


Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

It didn't work out for us.  It wasn't that good of a place to fly.
-W


On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:
What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John]

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Gary Stricker
 

What was wrong with Barber airport 
1. bean fields 
2. planes landing
3. sky divers landing
4.had to set up where the owner wanted even if it was not favorable for the winds
5. trees ( the times I was there I saw 4 rockets land in the trees
6. It was a long ride to pay a fee and with all the above wrong with it

On Sep 9, 2022, at 10:32 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


It didn't work out for us.  It wasn't that good of a place to fly.
-W

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:
What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John]


JohnP
 

That said, numbers 4 and 5 are basically the same in Aurora.  Barber field is so much bigger that even setting up sub-optimally gives you a lot more room.  I admit that since I live 5 minutes away, I'm a little biased, but I like Barber field much more than the park in Aurora.  Except for one house, Barber could be a HPR field. 


On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:04 AM Gary Stricker via groups.io <keystric=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What was wrong with Barber airport 
1. bean fields 
2. planes landing
3. sky divers landing
4.had to set up where the owner wanted even if it was not favorable for the winds
5. trees ( the times I was there I saw 4 rockets land in the trees
6. It was a long ride to pay a fee and with all the above wrong with it

On Sep 9, 2022, at 10:32 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


It didn't work out for us.  It wasn't that good of a place to fly.
-W

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:
What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John]


Tom Augustyn
 

From my understanding Barber Field is under new ownership. Has anyone reached out to them? Skydiving is seasonal at Barber Field. That being said maybe we could reach out to new ownership and schedule off-seasonal launch dates. We could set up playing the winds and landscape to our favor.


-----Original Message-----
From: JohnP <partridgespam@...>
To: public@mtma.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2022 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [MTMA] NOGO for Launch this Saturday, September 10, 2022 #nogo

That said, numbers 4 and 5 are basically the same in Aurora.  Barber field is so much bigger that even setting up sub-optimally gives you a lot more room.  I admit that since I live 5 minutes away, I'm a little biased, but I like Barber field much more than the park in Aurora.  Except for one house, Barber could be a HPR field. 

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:04 AM Gary Stricker via groups.io <keystric=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What was wrong with Barber airport 
1. bean fields 
2. planes landing
3. sky divers landing
4.had to set up where the owner wanted even if it was not favorable for the winds
5. trees ( the times I was there I saw 4 rockets land in the trees
6. It was a long ride to pay a fee and with all the above wrong with it

On Sep 9, 2022, at 10:32 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


It didn't work out for us.  It wasn't that good of a place to fly.
-W

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:
What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John]


Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 10:04 AM, JohnP wrote:
That said, numbers 4 and 5 are basically the same in Aurora.  Barber field is so much bigger that even setting up sub-optimally gives you a lot more room.  I admit that since I live 5 minutes away, I'm a little biased, but I like Barber field much more than the park in Aurora.  Except for one house, Barber could be a HPR field.
number 4 @ Harmon - not really - at least not in my experience of setting up as many as two launches per month for the past few years. 

number 5 - we lost more rockets to the trees in one month @ Barber than we did in several years at Harmon.  Observations all based on years of launch attendance, of course.

MTMA considered Barber as a launch site 20 years ago, and it turned out to be unsuitable then.  We verified exactly why it is unsuitable.  Sure, it looks good.  But in practice, it was "sub-optimal" in ways that made Harmon look like the best field in the world.   The parachute club didn't want us flying on the field.  They didn't even want to see us standing around out there.  The landowner responded by attempting to micro-manage our launches.  The situation became untenable.  Barber may seem better than Harmon, but when the people who actually bust their butts to provide a place where you can just show up and fly rockets are telling you than Barber was unsuitable - please believe them.  We're not flying down their just because we're lazy or set in our ways.
-W


JohnP
 

Yes and no.  To my knowledge,  Mr. Barber is still the principle owner, but Kyle,  the minority owner who was running an aircraft repair facility,  has moved on to other things.


On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 10:34 AM Tom Augustyn via groups.io <taugy=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
From my understanding Barber Field is under new ownership. Has anyone reached out to them? Skydiving is seasonal at Barber Field. That being said maybe we could reach out to new ownership and schedule off-seasonal launch dates. We could set up playing the winds and landscape to our favor.


-----Original Message-----
From: JohnP <partridgespam@...>
To: public@mtma.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2022 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [MTMA] NOGO for Launch this Saturday, September 10, 2022 #nogo

That said, numbers 4 and 5 are basically the same in Aurora.  Barber field is so much bigger that even setting up sub-optimally gives you a lot more room.  I admit that since I live 5 minutes away, I'm a little biased, but I like Barber field much more than the park in Aurora.  Except for one house, Barber could be a HPR field. 

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022, 9:04 AM Gary Stricker via groups.io <keystric=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
What was wrong with Barber airport 
1. bean fields 
2. planes landing
3. sky divers landing
4.had to set up where the owner wanted even if it was not favorable for the winds
5. trees ( the times I was there I saw 4 rockets land in the trees
6. It was a long ride to pay a fee and with all the above wrong with it

On Sep 9, 2022, at 10:32 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


It didn't work out for us.  It wasn't that good of a place to fly.
-W

On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 10:29 PM John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:
What ever happened with Barber Airport? That really seemed like a cool place …

John]