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Tod Hilty
 

Oh yeah, and this little morsel of information...

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:28:30 EDT
Subject: Great Lakes Regional Meet Revisited - I UPDATE
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Todd,
I have just learned from Ross at Magnum that he will be at our launch on
May 05, 2001!! Spread the word to your members please.
Les Kramer, Pres.
Tri-City Sky
Busters

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Tod Hilty
 

Hot off the press from Les Kramer...

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:42:44 EDT
Subject: Great Lakes Regional Meet Revisited - I
To: TCSBRC_NAR535@..., Gerald_Freed@..., gffreed@...

To All Fellow Rocketeers,

On May 05, 2001, come back to Northern Ohio where it all started! The
Tri-City Sky Busters, NAR #535, are pleased to announce the revival of the
Great Lakes Regional Meet. These rocket meets were started in the 1970s here
in Northern Ohio and eventually turned into the first LDRS launches which
were held in Medina, OH. We hope to hold the Great Lakes Regional Meet
Revisited twice a year in the spring and fall.
We have a large, flat farm to use with an annual FAA waiver to one mile.
Flights thru "L" motors are possible. We are Hypertek equipped. Porta-Johns
will be on site.

The GLRMR-I will be conducted under the following guidelines:
1. The National Association of Rocketry Safety Rules will be in
effect
2. FAA Waiver to one mile
3. Flyers Fee of $5.00 per person. Maximum Family Fee for low power
(A -G) of $10.00. Additional per flight fee for Hypertek to cover NO2 (440cc
- $5.00 and 835 cc $10.00).
4. Only NAR or Tripoli certified motors will be flown
5. Range hours are 9 AM to 5 PM. The range will open after a flyers
meeting at 9 AM.
6. Up through "J" range motors permitted without advance
application. "K" and "L" motor flights require advance application/approval,
subject to launch day flying conditions. High Power Cluster/Staged flights
also require advance application/approval.
7. Prior arrangements must be made for Hypertek flights to be sure
that we have enough NO2 on hand.
8. Due to the launch site's proximity to an interstate highway, the
RSO will reserve the right to lower the permitted motor range and/or limit
launches as required by conditions. It is recommended that high powered
flights anticipated to exceed 2500 ft should be designed to recover within
the launch site area. Any flights expected to exceed 4500 feet, must present
a flight simulation to the RSO for approval before the flight can be made.
Questions can be answered by our President, Les Kramer at ZC412@....
9. These launches are open to any and all interested persons, either
to view or participate. Due to insurance regulations, only NAR and Tripoli
members showing proof of current membership in either organization with the
proper certification level needed will be permitted to fly High Power Rockets
(Class H and above). All other persons, regardless of age, will be permitted
to fly Model Rockets ONLY (up to and including Class G motors).

Launch Equipment on site:
1. Eight high power pads - two banks of four each
2. Hypertek only pad - up to "J" motors (440cc and 835cc tanks)
3. One away cell for "K" & "L" motors and clusters
4. Two low power racks - six and four position
5. Launch rods from 1/8 to 3/4 inch
6. Blacksky Standard rail
7. Xtreme Rail compatible rail system

Les Kramer, Pres.
Tri-City Sky
Busters
ZC412@...
www.skybusters.org

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ZC412@...
 

Chuck,
If you guys need any help, please count the Sky Busters as IN! Gerry
Freed would be glad to coordinate with you. You can contact Gerry if you are
interested at Gerald_Freed@... or TCSBRC_NAR535@....
Les Kramer, Pres.
Tri-City Sky
Busters

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castraka@...
 

In a message dated 04/12/01 5:35:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mleffler@... writes:


I did hear a rumor
that Tod is considering canceling the camp.



Only the outdoor functions is what I heard...

Mark, I remember the demo you and Tod did last year....and the Ms Riley
story, well, cool.  Is this in multiple communities or are they holding the
camp just in Hudson this year.  I believe the location said either East Woods
School or at the Middle School--doesn't matter, either school would use the
same field/campus area.  This is where Eric, Adam and I go when we want to
burn some BP.  Lost the BAR rocket in a tree there.  This is at Lavelli Field
(outside the stadium actually).

Mark, I guess, as advisor, you can take the lead (yes, I'm lazy).  I would
make a suggestion that ANY demo we do as a club that we keep the impulse at G
or less.  I would hate to have a repeat of some of the incidents from launch
last April while we have an non-rocketry audience.  What type of rockets do
they build?  Do they need any equipment?

Chuck

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Mike & Karen <mleffler@...>
 

Hi Mark,

We're debating whether we want to spend $300.00 on two kids. However, I'd
be willing to help out at least part of a day including a couple of LMR high
power launches (F G H??) if we have the field. Or maybe an E in the old
glassed Fat Boy. We thought it was a great program but it seems like the
price is getting a little out of hand, unless their using LOC kits rather
than Gnomes. Might be a nice place for Barry Lynch to send some catalogs
along with our club membership info. I bet a really great paint job on a
Lil'Nuke would bring in the customers, eah Barry? <BG> I did hear a rumor
that Tod is considering canceling the camp.

Mike

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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:19 PM
To: MTMA@...
Subject: [MTMA] Re: MTMA Outreach Possibility


Rocket Camp is being presented by Partnership for America's Future,
Inc. It will be held July 16-20, 2001 at Eastwoods Elementary School
in Hudson, Ohio. Sponsors include American Fireworks Company.
Educators include Mrs. Patricia J. Schnellinger (my sister).

They have a web page for the camp at:
http://www.pafinc.com/Rocket%20Camp.htm

On that page there are pictures from last year's Rocket Camp at the
Tallmadge Middle School. Several MTMA members are pictured:

Kevin Leffler (Mike's son) in left side of upper left picture.
Adam Recktenwald (my oldest son) and Kevin Leffler kneeling in right
side of front row of lower left picture.
Me with CR4 in lower right picture.

At last year's Rocket Camp, I gave a short lunch time "Show-and-Tell"
talk on model rockets and large model rockets, and then flew CR4 (on
an F62-4) and several other A- to D-motor rockets out back on their
baseball diamond (yes, I notified the FAA, KSU Airport, and Akron
Fulton Airport).

I have been approached by my sister about doing a similar LMR demo at
this year's camp, but thought I would hold out for free registration
for my two boys if I did it. The registration fee last year was $100
and I got $10 off each because of my demo. This year's fee is $150!

If you would like, I could start talking to Ms. Gay Evans of
Partnership for America's Future. She is who I first contacted last
year.

Partnership for America's Future, Inc.
c/o Leila "Gay" Evans
80 W. Bowery Street / Suite 305
Akron, Ohio 44308
330-376-8300
Fax: 330-376-0566
mailto:pafinc@...
http://www.pafinc.com

BTW, the teacher who was involved with last year's Rocket Camp (dang,
I forgot her name), had met two of the "Rocket Boys" at the 1999
Induction Ceremony for the National Gallery for America's Young
Inventors. Hearing of the camp, they sent Ms. Riley (the rocket) up
for static display during camp. This is the very same rocket built by
Ky Michaelson and used in the filming of the flight scenes
in "October Sky". After filming, he gave it to one of them (forgot
who, but not Homer). I actually got to hold it, open it up, and got a
picture taken with it (too bad I didn't have any bigger motors!).
Each of the camp groups also got a group picture with Ms. Riley.
Interesting coincidence there: my boys were in different groups, each
group had their picture taken at different times; in each of the
pictures, my sons are seated at the aft end of Ms. Riley and have one
hand on the nozzle.

--
Mark



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m_reckt@...
 

Rocket Camp is being presented by Partnership for America's Future,
Inc. It will be held July 16-20, 2001 at Eastwoods Elementary School
in Hudson, Ohio. Sponsors include American Fireworks Company.
Educators include Mrs. Patricia J. Schnellinger (my sister).

They have a web page for the camp at:
http://www.pafinc.com/Rocket%20Camp.htm

On that page there are pictures from last year's Rocket Camp at the
Tallmadge Middle School. Several MTMA members are pictured:

Kevin Leffler (Mike's son) in left side of upper left picture.
Adam Recktenwald (my oldest son) and Kevin Leffler kneeling in right
side of front row of lower left picture.
Me with CR4 in lower right picture.

At last year's Rocket Camp, I gave a short lunch time "Show-and-Tell"
talk on model rockets and large model rockets, and then flew CR4 (on
an F62-4) and several other A- to D-motor rockets out back on their
baseball diamond (yes, I notified the FAA, KSU Airport, and Akron
Fulton Airport).

I have been approached by my sister about doing a similar LMR demo at
this year's camp, but thought I would hold out for free registration
for my two boys if I did it. The registration fee last year was $100
and I got $10 off each because of my demo. This year's fee is $150!

If you would like, I could start talking to Ms. Gay Evans of
Partnership for America's Future. She is who I first contacted last
year.

Partnership for America's Future, Inc.
c/o Leila "Gay" Evans
80 W. Bowery Street / Suite 305
Akron, Ohio 44308
330-376-8300
Fax: 330-376-0566
mailto:pafinc@...
http://www.pafinc.com

BTW, the teacher who was involved with last year's Rocket Camp (dang,
I forgot her name), had met two of the "Rocket Boys" at the 1999
Induction Ceremony for the National Gallery for America's Young
Inventors. Hearing of the camp, they sent Ms. Riley (the rocket) up
for static display during camp. This is the very same rocket built by
Ky Michaelson and used in the filming of the flight scenes
in "October Sky". After filming, he gave it to one of them (forgot
who, but not Homer). I actually got to hold it, open it up, and got a
picture taken with it (too bad I didn't have any bigger motors!).
Each of the camp groups also got a group picture with Ms. Riley.
Interesting coincidence there: my boys were in different groups, each
group had their picture taken at different times; in each of the
pictures, my sons are seated at the aft end of Ms. Riley and have one
hand on the nozzle.

--
Mark

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Chuck Straka <castraka@...>
 

I noticed in the Hudson Community Education and Recreation (HCER)
brochure a new listing for a summer Rocket Camp from July 16-20.

The listing reads as follows:

Rocket Camp is designed for students currently in grades 3 through
7. Campers will design, build and test their own model rockets.
Certified teachers with support from Tracy Jacobs, HMS Science
Educator will also include lessons, hands on activities and projects
on planes, blimps, history of flight, early fireworks, space
exploration, space stations, helicopters, and more. There will be
paper airplane trials, home-made rockets with eggs as cargo designed
to land without breaking, space station simulations, a remote control
plane with aerial photography, and more. ...and it goes on to list
registration information, etc...

Boy, I wish I was 9-13 years old again!

Anyhow, I'm going to try to get in touch with Tracy Jacobs and offer
our (my) help during at least one day of this camp. I'm sure they
could use the rack system and I'd like to push the NAR safety code
especially since fireworks are part of the curriculum. A couple F &
G demo launches, as well as, the flying football (if it will fly-), a
boost glider (part of my NARTREK trek) and maybe our own version of
aerial photography might be nice (a-hem, Mark?).

I know that the Math teacher that is involved with this camp is into
water propelled rockets made out of 2 liter pop bottles (he has an
end-of-year rocket unit doing this which involves much more than just
the rockets themselves). I hope this is NOT what they plan on
using. If so, all the more reason to demo "real" model rockets.

Depending on the outcome of my conversation with Ms. Jacobs, I might
need a hand from another MTMA member.

I'll keep you posted.

Chuck Straka

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Paul R. Bixler <PBixler@...>
 

I'm in Pittsburgh, so I don't know if I count, but I would enjoy attending
a Saturday launch in Ohio!

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MTMA] Design committee was: Re: Poll results for MTMA


m_reckt@... wrote:

I just uploaded a scan of today's Far Side calendar cartoon.
After reading Ken's and Tod's posts this morning about the HPR
design committee, I turned the calendar and got quite a chuckle.

The cartoon is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MTMA/files/Eraser_fight.gif

Tracy, can you relate?

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Looks like just another day at work here at Kent.

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Tracy Laux
 

m_reckt@... wrote:

I just uploaded a scan of today's Far Side calendar cartoon.
After reading Ken's and Tod's posts this morning about the HPR
design committee, I turned the calendar and got quite a chuckle.

The cartoon is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MTMA/files/Eraser_fight.gif

Tracy, can you relate?

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Subject: Re: [MTMA] Anyone interested in a night launch?
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:43:51 EDT

sounds cool,, i do have some lighted rockets for the occasion.
larry

OH HELL YES

JOHN H.

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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:43:51 EDT

sounds cool,, i do have some lighted rockets for the occasion.
larry

OH HELL YES.

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Tod Hilty
 

At 10:55 PM 4/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
I'd go for a night launch but I can't help but think that Hilty will cancel
it.
LOL! Only if there's too much light (i.e. Full Moon)..

"Dry field? Good, but there's too much light.."

CANCEL!

<vbg>

Tod

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Mike & Karen <mleffler@...>
 

I'd go for a night launch but I can't help but think that Hilty will cancel
it.

Mike

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Subject: Re: [MTMA] Anyone interested in a night launch?


sounds cool,, i do have some lighted rockets for the occasion.
larry

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Larry Graceffo
 

sounds cool,, i do have some lighted rockets for the occasion.
larry

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m_reckt@...
 

--- In MTMA@y..., kgholloway@f... wrote:

Mark,

I'd suggest that forming a committee would be the way to go. One
thing we
need to know, however, is what type of design software is most
commonly
used by MTMA members? Since this is a club project all of our
members
should be able to view the design as it's being developed and offer
suggestions to the committee. Just for the record I use Apogee's
"RockSim", NAR's "Winroc", and "Wrasp" myself.

Ken
I use VCP and wRASP. I use AutoCAD for scale projects.

--
Mark

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m_reckt@...
 

--- In MTMA@y..., Hilty Information Systems <blankreg@a...> wrote:
<snip>
flying regulations. Plus there're probably some weird FAA regs
that need to
be checked into too..
FAR 101 may be confusing, but it isn't weird! :-)

See:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/AFS/FARS/far-101.txt

Sec. 101.23(h) prohibits launches "Between sunset and sunrise."

However, Sec. 101.22 removes this restriction for large model
rockets.

At one end of the spectrum, regular model rockets aren't affected.
At the other, you need a waiver for an HPR launch at night.

--
Mark

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m_reckt@...
 

I just uploaded a scan of today's Far Side calendar cartoon.
After reading Ken's and Tod's posts this morning about the HPR
design committee, I turned the calendar and got quite a chuckle.

The cartoon is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MTMA/files/Eraser_fight.gif

Tracy, can you relate?

--
Mark

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Tod Hilty
 

At 08:21 AM 4/10/01 EDT, you wrote:
Frankly, I think we should form a committee to find an alternate field! Wind
we can't change but mud is something we should not have to worry about! One
strong rain storm the day before a planned launch (even in mid-summer) will
kill our launch plans.
I agree with you Chuck in that we need several more fields to "put into
rotation". The big problem with Carlton's property is that it just doesn't
drain well.

Keep in mind tho', what happened Saturday morning wasn't just a "strong rain
storm". 4.8 inches in 50 some minutes was downright bizarre. I've been
doing a little research, and found that the storm was extremely localized
(only about 1/10" up in Cuyahoga County). Also, I'm fairly certain that it
far exceeded the "100 year storm event" for this area. Mark would probably
know the details on that one. According to our Village Manager, several
storm sewers down by the river literally exploded from the discharge.

Any thoughts? Anybody have any ideas? Potential sites?
Actually, I'm going to try and see a 76 acre site over off 306, just north
of Aurora. One of the Dads on my sons' baseball team mother in law owns the
property. Apparently it's an old sand/gravel pit. You can sorta see it using:

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=589&Y=5719&Z=17&W=2

It's the area that's a little to the east of where the W&LE railroad tracks
(diagonal from the NW to the SE) crosses SR 306. Dunno the details yet, and
I kind of suspect that's it within the Aurora city limits. I'm sure that'll
have its own set of concerns.

The USGS photo is from 1994, and according to the son-in-law, it's been
logged 4 times in the past 3 years, so things probably look different.
Anyway, I'll be checking it out this week.

Tod