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Re: Oct. 31 Launch at Barber Field is Canceled - NO GO! #nogo

Tom Augustyn
 

Thanks for the early heads up Wolf! Like I said last week. There's always leaves to rake! See everybody on the 14th! Here are some of the birds I plan on taking to Barber on the 14th:

ESTES Der Mega Red Max    Aerotech F50-6T

ESTES Interceptor E             Aerotech    E15-4

Launch Pad     3" BULLPUP      Aerotech   E30-4

Estes PS Nike Smoke               Aerotech F26-6FJ

Estes Mammoth                       Possibly 2 stage on 29 MM Estes F15-0 and F15-6

Estes Trident                            C6-5

Have a great, SAFE weekend everybody!

Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...>
To: main@MTMA.groups.io
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2020 11:59 am
Subject: [MTMA] Oct. 31 Launch at Barber Field is Canceled - NO GO! #nogo

We were hopeful, but we have to cancel this launch too.  The land owner informed me that field is soft and we risk getting stuck out there.  The rain from Tropical Storm Zeta Setting will just make it worse. Setting up on hard ground closer to the hangars is not an option due to the southeast winds.

We'll try again for November 14th.  There are other rocketry events regionally, but I'm not going to any of them.  If November 14th is a good day, we'll be flying rockets at the Barber Field.
-Wolf

Oct. 31 Launch at Barber Field is Canceled - NO GO! #nogo

Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

We were hopeful, but we have to cancel this launch too.  The land owner informed me that field is soft and we risk getting stuck out there.  The rain from Tropical Storm Zeta Setting will just make it worse. Setting up on hard ground closer to the hangars is not an option due to the southeast winds.

We'll try again for November 14th.  There are other rocketry events regionally, but I'm not going to any of them.  If November 14th is a good day, we'll be flying rockets at the Barber Field.
-Wolf
Event: MTMA Model Rocket Launch at Barber Field - Saturday, 31 October 2020 #cal-invite

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MTMA Model Rocket Launch at Barber Field

When:
Saturday, 31 October 2020
10:00am to 5:00pm
(UTC-04:00) America/New York

Where:
https://goo.gl/maps/8YDQqLbmjErqznH3A

Organizer: MTMA

Description:
This is a regular model rocket launch to be conducted in accordance with the NAR Model Rocket Safety Code ( http://www.nar.org/safety-information/model-rocket-safety-code/ ) and MTMA launch procedures.  This is not an High Power launch.

There is a mandatory airport fee of $5 per person fee that will be collected from each person in attendance.  Bring exact change.  Persons without exact change may be asked to depart and get a five dollar bill elsewhere.  Non-members pay $10.

Anyone is invited to attend.  Non-MTMA members are limited to 20 N-s impulse maximum (D motor), no staging, and no clusters.  Consider joining the NAR and getting active with your local model rocket club.

This launch is the raindate for last weekend's canceled launch.

There is a port-a-potty on site that we can use.  Please bring refreshments and sunscreen if you plan on staying a few hours.  And please do arrive early. We're scheduled to fly until 5:00 pm, or until everyone has had enough and goes home. If you arrive later in the day, you may find that we have already flown, packed up, and gone home.

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Re: MTMA [BYOG] at Harmon Field Oct 24, 2020 videos.

Jennifer Davis
 

That was Nathan’s rocket that did that. 

Was a great day!

On Oct 24, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Gary Stricker via groups.io <keystric@...> wrote:



It was a good day to launch, wind was pretty light. There were nine people launching during the time I was there. I can't remember if it was Ben or Nathan but their rocket went off with the launch rod and spun around several times before landing in the taller grass, actually it was pretty cool to see. Mike and Ollie launched several rockets that were all recovered pretty easily. I launched a few rockets with my video camera on board and got some good videos. I wish I knew how to get them on our Facebook page ,they turned out pretty cool. All in all except for the cool weather it was a good day.



On October 24, 2020, at 5:13 PM, M Schevey <Tractionengines@...> wrote:
It was a little on the cool side, but breeze was actually very light (most of the time) and going parallel to the road. Also clouds were higher than first thought. Way above what we launched to.

Took 2 videos of Ollie lunching our rockets.

https://youtu.be/YZ36YOcWvKE

https://youtu.be/H-FptjOWrYg

I think we made 12 flights, all easy recoveries. 🙂

Mike
Re: MTMA [BYOG] at Harmon Field Oct 24, 2020 videos.

Gary Stricker
 

It was a good day to launch, wind was pretty light. There were nine people launching during the time I was there. I can't remember if it was Ben or Nathan but their rocket went off with the launch rod and spun around several times before landing in the taller grass, actually it was pretty cool to see. Mike and Ollie launched several rockets that were all recovered pretty easily. I launched a few rockets with my video camera on board and got some good videos. I wish I knew how to get them on our Facebook page ,they turned out pretty cool. All in all except for the cool weather it was a good day.



On October 24, 2020, at 5:13 PM, M Schevey <Tractionengines@...> wrote:


It was a little on the cool side, but breeze was actually very light (most of the time) and going parallel to the road. Also clouds were higher than first thought. Way above what we launched to.

Took 2 videos of Ollie lunching our rockets.

https://youtu.be/YZ36YOcWvKE

https://youtu.be/H-FptjOWrYg

I think we made 12 flights, all easy recoveries. 🙂

Mike
MTMA [BYOG] at Harmon Field Oct 24, 2020 videos.

M Schevey
 
Edited

It was a little on the cool side, but breeze was actually very light (most of the time) and going parallel to the road. Also clouds were higher than first thought. Way above what we launched to.
 
Took 2 videos of Ollie lunching our rockets.
 
 
 
I think we made 12 flights, all easy recoveries. 🙂
 
Mike
 
Re: Launch is No Go! Sat. Oct. 24 - Barber Field #nogo

Tom Augustyn
 

Thanks for the update Wolf! I can always fall back on raking leaves in my yard! Have a great weekend everybody!


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...>
To: main@MTMA.groups.io
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2020 9:22 am
Subject: [MTMA] Launch is No Go! Sat. Oct. 24 - Barber Field #nogo

There's a slight threat of rain for the morning of October 24, but the main reason for canceling is the north wind.  North winds completely eliminate the large field advantage at the Barber Field.  We learned this in September.   We're not sure if we're rescheduling the launch for next Saturday Oct. 31, or not.  Stay tuned.
-W

Launch is No Go! Sat. Oct. 24 - Barber Field #nogo

Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

There's a slight threat of rain for the morning of October 24, but the main reason for canceling is the north wind.  North winds completely eliminate the large field advantage at the Barber Field.  We learned this in September.   We're not sure if we're rescheduling the launch for next Saturday Oct. 31, or not.  Stay tuned.
-W
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

John Ulizzi
 

Yes, thanks Bob,

I second everything Gary has said, and I do appreciate your efforts.

Thanks again,

John Ulizzi


On Oct 19, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Gary Stricker via groups.io <keystric@...> wrote:

Thanks Bob, thanks for your response. I hope we all can be respectful of each other. Launching rockets and flying planes should be a fun thing to do without any hassles. I truly hope there are not any more conflicts. There are a lot of families that are MTMA members that just want to go to the field and have safe fun without trouble.


On Oct 19, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Bob Ferrante <robert.1.ferrante@...> wrote:


Gentlemen of MTMA,

If anyone from Flying Aces bothers you at the field please give me a call. 330-322-0866. Have them talk to me. I will straighten it out. 

I have emailed the Flying Aces members. But I recently found out that many of the members have not received the emails. I believe I have this fixed. So they should get my email I am sending out this week. 

I am sincerely sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused my fellow MTMA members.

Bob Ferrante - Flying Aces President and MTMA member.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:
Mike is correct.  Two launch announcements went out recently.

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.

While at Barber...
If you are approached by a Flying Aces model airplane club member who wants to "share the air" politely decline.  We generally get two out of thirty days to fly, and they can come back another day.  If a Flying Aces model airplane club member makes demands like you move your launcher, or insist that they be allowed to fly, or harasses you in anyway that makes you uncomfortable, get their name and contact one of the MTMA officers.
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Gary Stricker
 

Thanks Bob, thanks for your response. I hope we all can be respectful of each other. Launching rockets and flying planes should be a fun thing to do without any hassles. I truly hope there are not any more conflicts. There are a lot of families that are MTMA members that just want to go to the field and have safe fun without trouble.


On Oct 19, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Bob Ferrante <robert.1.ferrante@...> wrote:


Gentlemen of MTMA,

If anyone from Flying Aces bothers you at the field please give me a call. 330-322-0866. Have them talk to me. I will straighten it out. 

I have emailed the Flying Aces members. But I recently found out that many of the members have not received the emails. I believe I have this fixed. So they should get my email I am sending out this week. 

I am sincerely sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused my fellow MTMA members.

Bob Ferrante - Flying Aces President and MTMA member.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:
Mike is correct.  Two launch announcements went out recently.

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.

While at Barber...
If you are approached by a Flying Aces model airplane club member who wants to "share the air" politely decline.  We generally get two out of thirty days to fly, and they can come back another day.  If a Flying Aces model airplane club member makes demands like you move your launcher, or insist that they be allowed to fly, or harasses you in anyway that makes you uncomfortable, get their name and contact one of the MTMA officers.
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Bob Ferrante
 

Gentlemen of MTMA,

If anyone from Flying Aces bothers you at the field please give me a call. 330-322-0866. Have them talk to me. I will straighten it out. 

I have emailed the Flying Aces members. But I recently found out that many of the members have not received the emails. I believe I have this fixed. So they should get my email I am sending out this week. 

I am sincerely sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused my fellow MTMA members.

Bob Ferrante - Flying Aces President and MTMA member.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:
Mike is correct.  Two launch announcements went out recently.

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.

While at Barber...
If you are approached by a Flying Aces model airplane club member who wants to "share the air" politely decline.  We generally get two out of thirty days to fly, and they can come back another day.  If a Flying Aces model airplane club member makes demands like you move your launcher, or insist that they be allowed to fly, or harasses you in anyway that makes you uncomfortable, get their name and contact one of the MTMA officers.
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

M Schevey
 

THANK YOU.... Not sure if we will go to Barber or Harmon, but we WILL fly rockets somewhere this weekend.

Mike


-------- Original message --------
From: "Wolfram v.Kiparski" <astronwolf@...>
Date: 10/19/20 12:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@MTMA.groups.io
Subject: Re: [MTMA] MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

A discussion about the" finer points of the use agreement," as well as a couple recent incidents, has already been initiated between the officers of both clubs.  No one should be giving you a hard time about flying this weekend - on Saturday, or on Sunday. 


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM, M Schevey wrote:
 
I could see some Flying Aces / MTMA "on-site discussion" about the finer points of the use agreement....if members of both groups show up there Sunday.
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

John Ulizzi
 

Never mind, I see you already did...


On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:38 PM, John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...> wrote:

I believe the “finer points” are that the field is ours that entire weekend...

Wolf, please confirm...


On Oct 19, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:

A discussion about the" finer points of the use agreement," as well as a couple recent incidents, has already been initiated between the officers of both clubs.  No one should be giving you a hard time about flying this weekend - on Saturday, or on Sunday. 


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM, M Schevey wrote:
 
I could see some Flying Aces / MTMA "on-site discussion" about the finer points of the use agreement....if members of both groups show up there Sunday.
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

John Ulizzi
 

I believe the “finer points” are that the field is ours that entire weekend...

Wolf, please confirm...


On Oct 19, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:

A discussion about the" finer points of the use agreement," as well as a couple recent incidents, has already been initiated between the officers of both clubs.  No one should be giving you a hard time about flying this weekend - on Saturday, or on Sunday. 


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM, M Schevey wrote:
 
I could see some Flying Aces / MTMA "on-site discussion" about the finer points of the use agreement....if members of both groups show up there Sunday.
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

A discussion about the" finer points of the use agreement," as well as a couple recent incidents, has already been initiated between the officers of both clubs.  No one should be giving you a hard time about flying this weekend - on Saturday, or on Sunday. 


On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM, M Schevey wrote:
 
I could see some Flying Aces / MTMA "on-site discussion" about the finer points of the use agreement....if members of both groups show up there Sunday.
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Wolfram v.Kiparski
 

Mike,

The Flying Aces and MTMA made an agreement long ago to alternate weekends.  This weekend is MTMA's turn to use the field.  There should be no Flying Aces members at the field attempting to use the field this weekend. 

If the weather is not quite what we like on Saturday, Sunday is automatic.  It is the rain date.  Please go fly some rockets.  It is MTMA's turn to use the field this weekend.
-W

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM, M Schevey wrote

 
The question I have is: Since "at this point" Saturday looks like 40% chance of rain, and Sunday is clear... Our Saturday Harmon field dates,  list Sunday's as rain date. IF IT RAINS Saturday; Can we do our BYOG launch Sunday?
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

M Schevey
 

Hopefully this does not come up...I am asking in the veins of an ounce of prevention, beats a pound of cure...

The question I have is: Since "at this point" Saturday looks like 40% chance of rain, and Sunday is clear... Our Saturday Harmon field dates,  list Sunday's as rain date. IF IT RAINS Saturday; Can we do our BYOG launch Sunday?

Is that a decision that needs to be made by club officers? Does it need to be conveyed to park management, or is it automatic?

I could see some Flying Aces / MTMA "on-site discussion" about the finer points of the use agreement....if members of both groups show up there Sunday.

Mike


-------- Original message --------
From: John Ulizzi <jaulizzi@...>
Date: 10/18/20 12:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@mtma.groups.io
Subject: Re: [MTMA] MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Wolf, 

I think you mean “While at Harmon”. We are unlikely to encounter any Flying Asses (not a typo) at Barber, but if we did I think we would just sic our nee friends, the Balsa Bees, on them...

🤣🤣

“While at Barber...
If you are approached by a Flying Aces model airplane club member who wants to "share the air" politely decline.  We generally get two out of thirty days to fly, and they can come back another day.  If a Flying Aces model airplane club member makes demands like you move your launcher, or insist that they be allowed to fly, or harasses you in anyway that makes you uncomfortable, get their name and contact one of the MTMA officers.”



On Oct 18, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Jim Seibyl via groups.io <jseibyl@...> wrote:

Probably 10 but I need to talk to my team first

“We need more boom.”

On Oct 18, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


And TARC teams are exempt from the guest policy.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM astronwolf <astronwolf@...> wrote:

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

John Ulizzi
 
Edited

Wolf, 
 
I think you mean “While at Harmon”. We are unlikely to encounter any <deleted> at Barber, but if we did I think we would just sic our nee friends, the Balsa Bees, on them...
 
🤣🤣
 
“While at Barber...
If you are approached by a Flying Aces model airplane club member who wants to "share the air" politely decline.  We generally get two out of thirty days to fly, and they can come back another day.  If a Flying Aces model airplane club member makes demands like you move your launcher, or insist that they be allowed to fly, or harasses you in anyway that makes you uncomfortable, get their name and contact one of the MTMA officers.”


 

On Oct 18, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Jim Seibyl via groups.io <jseibyl@...> wrote:

Probably 10 but I need to talk to my team first

“We need more boom.”

On Oct 18, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:

And TARC teams are exempt from the guest policy.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM astronwolf <astronwolf@...> wrote:

 

 

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.
 
 
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Jim Seibyl
 

Thnks Wolf, but always good to verify!

“We need more boom.”

On Oct 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jim Seibyl via groups.io <jseibyl@...> wrote:

Probably 10 but I need to talk to my team first

“We need more boom.”

On Oct 18, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


And TARC teams are exempt from the guest policy.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM astronwolf <astronwolf@...> wrote:

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.
Re: MTMA Model Rocket Launch - Sat, 10/24/2020 10:00am-5:00pm #cal-reminder

Jim Seibyl
 

Probably 10 but I need to talk to my team first

“We need more boom.”

On Oct 18, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Wolfram v.Kiparski <astronwolf@...> wrote:


And TARC teams are exempt from the guest policy.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 9:45 AM astronwolf <astronwolf@...> wrote:

If anyone goes to Harmon please keep in mind that the field is "ours" to use according to the NAR safety code.  Flying is ONLY for NAR members who are MTMA members.  Guests are uninsured and unvetted.